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emes nisht sheker
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Seems this topic has garnered a following of people who just look to throw out definitions that suit their agenda than any meaningful discussion… Typical of conversations in the coffee room unfortunately.

So how about try to minimize opinion and consider each group with an open mind.

A study in 2020 identified 893 terrorism incidents in the US since 1994. In that period no deaths linked to antifa were identified yet 329 murders by white extremists or other right-wing extremists were identified.

I can agree that Antifa represents an extreme left-wing view that poses a threat and can become violent but the facts don’t easily get me to equating them with right wing extremists.

Also, consider Antifa is not a hierarchal organization whereas as right-wing extremists are hierarchal. When I think of the Nazis as the model of the most dangerous grouping, hierarchy and strict organization were key elements. Weakly organized groups while they can be chaotic and cause lots of damage are not likely an existential threat.

But lets move on to BLM. Best I can tell in total about 25 deaths are related to the BLM protests, but most of the deaths were of black people and not police or white people. Given the size of the demonstrations and the few deaths compared against the hundreds of deaths noted above, suggesting BLM is a bigger threat is just odd.

So instead you have to revert to claims about how the left loves BLM or Antifa and the right is against White Supremacists… but if indeed White Supremacists are engaging in regular murder and BLM and Antifa are not how can you equate the two. Do we see the Democrats celebrating groups like the Black Hebrews which are very dangerous?

As to Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and others who have said antisemitic things, yes, I don’t think anyone here likes that but best I can tell at least in recent history (yes, I am aware of Al Sharpton and the Crown Heights riots and he deserves to rot in hell for his incitement) they have not said things worse than those on the right whose words you choose to shovel under the carpet… Such as MTG with her Jewish Space Lasers.

Of course, make sure you note the US is roughly 14% black versus about 60% white. The assumption that an economically disadvantaged group making up 14% of the population is better positioned to determine the future direction of this country than the 60% white majority is an astounding claim that requires much consideration. A look at the House of Reps shows maybe 15% of the members are black. In the Senate currently I think there are 3 out of 50 senators. The facts just don’t support the conclusion that black people have much power.

So go scare yourselves about the left all you want, but don’t ignore the facts in the process.