Why oh why can�t you all have a CONVERSATION ?
One person�s statement providing a catalyst for the next one to pronounce a vitriolic counter statement , often replete with insulting and hyperbolic language is not a conversation.
A request for anecdotal reports is not an accusation, not a claim to know the truth or to have a solution , not a deeply held Hashkafic position regarding Hishtadlus, the efficacy of Tefilla, nor a claim to define the term �yeshivish �. Sheesh.
Polite discourse , listening to what the person is saying and not accusing him or her of what he hasn�t said, responding with measured words and logic – try it – here and everywhere! You�ll be surprised what a difference it can make!