Avi, of all the twisted rationales given of why most gedolim opposed the state… It’s true that rav zonnenfeld wanted to lift the immigration quotas, but that had nothing to do with his wanting there not to be a state. He and the aidah gedolim all cited the shavuos and holding back the freikeit as the reason.
Yaakov de haan was not always frum. We don’t mention the past of a baal teshuva, and yes it seems from his writings that before doing teshuva he was involved in bad stuff – so what? He became not only frum, but ensconced in the upper echelons of the strictest sector of frum jews in the world. He had zero reason to do that if he simply wanted to do more aveiros…. that’s counter intuitive.
Zionists helped publish books of his, written before his teshuvah, which promoted those sins, in hopes that people would not consider him a martyr because of it – it’s a dirty, disgusting thing to not only kill a man but tarnish his name afterwards.
Saying rav yosef chaim was against the state in order to get the mufti to grant more immigration is like saying we oppose intermarriage because we don’t want jewish money to leave the community. It’s slanderous, and downright twisted.
If yaakov de haan would have remained a mizrachi, and were killed by a kanoi, im sure you would say he was a martyr.
Anyways, about chutz laaretz. Yes, security is needed, but in Israel, the jews need protection *from* the police very often. How many jews are killed in America because they’re jewish? Most years, zero. Some years…the most was during the tree of life shooting.
In israel? Jews are threatened everyday, terrorist attacks happen every year, and rockets are blasted into jewish neighborhoods every week. Israel has to spend more on defense than any other country, because they’re under constant threat of annihilation from its neighbors and Iran.
Jews in America don’t have to worry about any of that. And assimilation? Most American jews are assimilated from 2 generations ago. They came here without building yeshivos, and that’s what happens – in Israel it’s far worse. The culture is so anti frum that Torah jews are hated by a large amount of chilonim…the fact that chilonim are slightly more traditional than their American counterparts means very little. They’re not frum, they’re not maaminim…so they go to a Seder and refrain from eating while on their phones on yom kipur….every mitzvah is big, but come on…
And yes, israel holds back intermarriage…in theory. They also encourage it by allowing immigrants who aren’t jewish and then trying to strong arm the rabbanut to allow them to convert if they don’t eat pig and refrain from eating while on their phone on yom kippur.
Many, many jews internarry without even knowing it, because israel recognizes patrilineal descent. At least in America people who intermarry KNOW what they’re doing.