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AviraDeArah
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M – you’re reading tanach from cover to cover….like a book. You’re reading it the way the goyim do, when they refer to it as the “bloody old testament” because from a superficial reading, you’d think everyone’s killing people lawlessly all the time.

Maybe open a rashi on tanach and then come to the table? But even without rashi, we can look at some things in the pesukim and see that there’s a lot going on between the lines. Eliyahu was able to eat food from the table of izevel, because despite her baal neviim, even she ate glatt kosher food! The rishonim say that she actually converted.

Klal yisroel kept the Torah in eretz yisroel, and the dreadful downfalls were the exceptions. Check out rav avigdor millers seforim on tanach to see more of this.

The old zionist narrative that we always had sinners and they’re part of the klal, and that we’re the same as we were in the times of neviim… They really need to learn chazal, rishonim… It’s just a lie taught to children in school without any basis in mesorah.

The Torah WAS given outside eretz yisroel, on purpose, because eretz yisroel isn’t what makes us a nation. The Torah did. Eretz yisroel is a precious tool to serve Hashem in the optimal way, but we lost it because of our sins. It’s not ours unconditionally – Hashem told us in the tochacha that if we sin, we will lose it. And we did.

Coffee, i hear your perspective, but i preempted it by saying that chazal cancelled mitzvos due to the mere possibility of people sinning. Klal yisroel’s shofar, 4 minim… Aren’t worth it if one jew *might* carry… Accidentally!!

Kal vechomer it’s not worth it for us to have eretz yisroel in order to keep shmitah etc if the MAJORITY will sin WILLFULLY, even if they’re tinokos shenishbu, which is far from clear. I think you’d agree that at least some chilonim aren’t, if they grew up somewhat religious.