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AviraDeArah
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Baby, rav miller was vehemently anti zionist and would often…. Actually it’s in every one of his own hashkofa seforim, castigate zionism and zionists. I don’t think he would have said that it’s some sort of present with a nisayon attached to it – it doesn’t fit what he wrote in his seforim.

did you hear it on a tape? Or did you hear it in his name? Because people misquote him quite a lot. I believe rav pam may have said something similar to what you’re quoting.

Aaq, good points. When I said “support,” I’m referring to political solidarity; we American jews do a lot of lobbying for Israel, and not only does it play into the dual-loyalty trope, but it services a system which, like i said, is a net loss for the klal. Much of our resources are spent on “hasbara” and a lot of campus kiruv work involves trying to get secular jewish college students to not only learn about yiddishkeit, but support the “jewish” state which they’re constantly being told is evil to Palestinians. How many students have been turned off to yiddishkeit because they believe their professors’ claims over thw kiruv rabbis? We should, at the very least, adopt a non-zionist approach with these kids, not to alienate the pro israel ones, and not to turn off the anti Israel kids either.

How to deal with the frei in EY is very complicated; organizations like keren hashviis do amazing things, and many frei farmers have embraced shmitah because of the help they offer. That’s an example of what American jews can do to stem the tide of chilul Hashem etc… But in any case, we’re not in a position to impose halacha at this point in time.