shtultz in mesivtos is a very important thing. ninth grader are quite simply, signifigantly mor immature, when they come in, than anyone else in the bais medrash.shtultz helps them recognize that, and in shtultzy yeshivos, they generally normal out by chanukah time. Anyone who has a problem with shtultz doesnt chap the matzav. and as for not being goires the mo people, this is absolutely legitimate, as they dont value the torah as muchas they should, and can be real influences
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