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AviraDeArah
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I don’t understand why it is being repeated over and over that I’m judging people either lekaf chov or zchus; I’m discussing the ideas and claims that a group is making. There’s no Mitzvah to “judge” ideas one way or the other – were just supposed to look for the emes.

Re, abarbanel: he says that it’s possible that Moshiach will be from those resurrected. He, again, makes absolutely no mention of his being a messianic candidate while alive, and definitely would have done so if he thought that’s possible, because half of the sefer is his responses to christian ideology, which he shows a very clear understanding of. You’re throwing in tons of exterior words about him being identified as moshiach, while as we established, such a candidate is eliminated when they die. If the abarbanel meant to say something that was against the plain meaning of the rambam, he would have done so.

Bar kochva was disqualified: the whole point of the rambam there is to say that no miracles need to be done and that once he dies, he is no longer a candidate, that everyone at the time agreed that bar kochva was not moshiach. According to you, the fact that bar kochva died should not be disqualifying, but the rambam clearly says it was.

You still haven’t explained why 2 achronim, even if they said what you think they do(which they don’t) would overturn the pashtus of a rambam and eclipse the enormity of the fact that none of the baalei hashkofa who discuss moshiach talk about him not finishing his job or coming from the dead at all. It’s not normative hashkofa, and it’s Christian. It’s also a sign of a stubborn insecurity when the entire yiddishkeit rests on one man being the Messiah… There’s another religion which teaches that, and it’s not judaism

Let’s say i thought that rav efraim wachsman was moshiach. Would i care if someone else disagreed? Why should i? But to a lubavitcher, if someone says that they don’t believe that their rebbe was moshiach, he might as well be denying bias hamoshiach altogether.

Re, the lubavitcher rebbe saying that effectively everyone would be a chossid (a chabad chossid only?) If only they “understood” – that’s a warped version of what the Rashab said to an atheist, that he doesn’t believe in the same god that he denies; meaning that if the atheist had the right understanding of Hashem, he’d believe.

Sorry, but tons of gedolim knew just what chasidus is and didn’t hold of it. I personally love chasidishe seforim, including chabad, but i am well aware that people that we, and lubavitcher rebbe, had no understanding of, were against it, including the noda beyehudah and the Gaon.

As for vitriol; take a look in the mirror.