The Five Most Likeliest Candidates to be Moshiach

A loaded question, since so many orthodox believe it’s what’s his name, with the minions believing his lies about some stolen election

Rav don segal, rav tzvi meir zilberberg come to mind

Shimon
Doesn’t mashiach Ben Yosef go first?
And it just happens that my family has a mesorah that we are descended from Yosef
Just sayin’

@mentsch1 menashe or efraim?

It’s either “likeliest” or “most likely.” Not both.

since when do we vote? it isn’t an elected position

Was Jos a teacher before he became a self taught nuclear engineer/scientist.

Cheap ploy. Most people here expect Moschiach to come from a yeshivish or, ok maybe, a chasiddish community. So, his language will be according to the school he attended.

Of course, one could observe that Jewish leaders were always expected to communicate well with the world – from Moshe’s education in the palace to R Gamliel having 1000 Torah students and 1000 Greek students in his household … So, either Moschiach will have to come from YU or Lakewood needs to improve on Yinglish classes. Maybe, though, Moschiach will come from lepers in Rome as Gemora suggests, so maybe he’ll speak Italian with the Pope.

Someone sent me this back when Donald Trump was going against crooked Hillary Clinton:

The gematriya of “Donald Trump” is “Moshiach ben David”!
דונלד טראמפ = 424 = משיח בן דוד
דונלד=94
טראמפ= 330
=424
משיח=358
בן=52
דוד=14
=424
Unbelievable!

Not wanting to be a one-party animal, I took the liberty of gematrifying הילרי קלינטון. Hillary Clinton
Look at what I found. First of all her first and last names have identical gematriyas
הילרי = 5+10+30+200+10 = 255
קלינטון=100+30+10+50+9+6+50=255
Now 255 is gematriya עמלקיה –
Amalekia that’s a female member of Amalek

No one is saying that Donald Trump is Mashiach but he was the best president for klal yisroel we ever had even if we are still in golus today R”L

May we all wake up to Hashem’s wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov

Gadolhadorah,

You missed the fact that the Donald doesn’t check his suits for shatnez. That should disqualify him as well according to the Rambam (“עוסק המצוות כדוד אביו”).

@GH, wow that sounds a lot like a description of Bill Clinton

>Heretical thinking. Hashem has no use for candidates.

Join the long list of “heretics” (r”l):
The yeshivos of Rav Shilo, Rav Yanai, Rav Nachman, etc. (Sanhedrin 98b).
The Sdei Chemed (“בדרך הזה היה משוער אצלם בכל דור מיהו”).
Rav Shachnah, the Ramah’s teacher. The Ohr Hachayim.
And many more.

“wow, THAT sounds a lot like a description of Bill Clinton
Common Saychel: It depends on the the meaning of “THAT” is.

If my memory is correct, our Torah teaches that the Melech HaMashiach will be identified by Eliyahu HaNavi, and later confirmed by the Sanhedrin.

The opinions of ordinary people will not count, not at all.

The vast majority of Chareidim will never accept any candidate for the Melech HaMashiach who is Sephardic or a Baal Teshuvah or Modern Orthodox or Religious Zionist, even though there is no Halachic reason why those people should be automatically disqualified — but Chareidim have a very low opinion of those people, so they will never consider it.

> The opinions of ordinary people will not count, not at all.

This is not correct. Jews have indirect electoral system:

People hire local Rabbis in a shul, support local schools, ask shailos and send their children and shekels to yeshivos. They also visit Rebbes and bring donations.

Local rebbes, melameds send their shailos and children to Talmidei Chachamim they consider best in learning and middos.

Eventually, this affects who is writing teshuvos, determines school curriculum, and becomes member of Meoetzes and Sanhedrin. Could a Talmid Chacham, like Rogachover, be recognized even if ordinary people do not appreciate him? yes, but only if other “accepted” TCim recognize him.

AAQ,

Kol Torah in Bayit Vegan is indeed a beautiful yeshiva but the story with R. Yaakov, zt”l actually took place during his visit to Kol Yaakov in Bayit Vegan, the yeshiva founded by R. Adess.

“The vast majority of Chareidim will never accept any candidate for the Melech HaMashiach who is Sephardic or a Baal Teshuvah or Modern Orthodox or Religious Zionist, even though there is no Halachic reason why those people should be automatically disqualified — but Chareidim have a very low opinion of those people, so they will never consider it”

it sounds like you would never accept any chareidi people, because you feel inferior to them. you should probably work on your self esteem instead of ripping on a very choshuve chelek of klal yisroel

GadolHadofi, thanks for the correction! Your version appears to be right. I definitely heard R Ouerbach, maybe my source confused kol vekol and added the name.

We definitely need to keep the right track of the yeshiva from where Moschiach will come!

…. of chareidem….

Only the newcomers. Longstanding observant Jews genuinely care about every Yid. It’s in their DNA. Literally, scientifically, mamash a mitzius. You may even come across OTD kids with a long yichus that still have this trait. The chareidi communities have many yidden teaching in less chareidi schools. (Ahem.) Chareidi mohelem charge less (Some do it free.) to give kosher milah to babies in reformed families. There are chareidi programs to daven for fallen IDF soldiers. And chareidem seek out great Torah personalities from across the spectrum. As one MO gadol said, I am running after my congregation. They are running away from the a certain yeshiva’s alumni. And those alumni are running after me.

Nom, i think moshiach must be coming soon, because you wrote something that i actually agree with!

I don’t think it depends on yichus though; i think people who look down on others would do so in a different context, i.e. if they were rich, they’d look down on the poor, etc… it’s a bad middah, like any other. Truly frum people who have worked on their middos don’t look down on other jews.

Actually, among the people I’ve seen who actually look down on others, I’ve only seen it by heimishe people who aren’t particularly knowledgeable who feel like they have to grab on to their yiddish or minhagim that they have, and look askance at someone solely because they’re sefardi or a BT; I’m talking about sefardim and BTs who are just as frum, if not moreso, talk with yeshivish language, dress like everyone else, etc…

An example of this is the fact that roshei yeshiva of chaim berlin and torah vodaas had no issue taking sons in law who were sefardi, and those are just the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

I do agree that newcomers can be more insecure and will lash out more because they feel threatened, and aren’t sure that they are in the right, because if you can’t learn shulchan aruch yourself, and you’re just going by what your rebbe told you, maybe there really isn’t a halacha against the things less frum people do?

For all my online rhetoric, many here would be surprised at how i interact with other jews who aren’t frum or less frum. The same way, and I’m in no way comparing myself, people are surprised to know of a certain rosh yeshiva who was among the most anti-chabad voices in the world, who housed a yechi-nik and his family, some of whom were disabled and had a very difficult life.

Aaq, “ashkenazi” teshuvos deal with anything and everything; no *change” happened in the frequency of shailos – also do you think poskim publish every answer they gave to every question? Shu”t is a style of writing a sefer; they pick which ones they use, and some even “asked” themselves shailos to get into the sugya – if there was, in fact, a dirth of questions in a certain area, they’d just write about them stam.

Whole premise just shows that this “talmid chacham” probably is not interested in normative halacha, and prefers ethical discourse: it’s a lot easier to pontificate and give synagogue sermons to Sabbath attendees about ethics, philosophy, current events, and other things that they and the rabbi want to hear, than it is to learn halacha b’iyun.

And what is meant by “ashkenaz” – does he mean that Hungarian, German, Lithuanian, polish, galician, Russian, Latvian jews all changed wholesale into chicken shailoh based judaism, and, let me guess, the sefardim somehow didn’t, and contributed more towards business questions? Has this person ever learned kaf hachaim, ben ish chai, sdei Chemed… Anything? The topics are all the same whenever you look .

He probably just likes that sefardim are generally more meikil.

Dear Always,

What do you say about serious global halachic questions that are decided by an unkown talmid chochom sitting in kollel for twenty five years? Just to give you the picture, the people sitting around him do not know that he answers questions from all over the globe. And even his wife and kids are barely aware of it. He is never invited to any asifa and is not asked for brachos. Oh, and nobody ever takes his picture. His suit and hat are older than me.

Ben, do you really think that the prime minister has the din of a melech? Even the most fanatical zionists don’t say that. They don’t make a bracha on Netanyahu.

A king must be annointed, too.

Anyways, the abarbanel does not advocate for that shitah in the gemara; you misread. And where is this supposed sdei chemed? The rambam clearly paskened not like that shitah, that if a messianic candidate dies, he is disqualified.

Avira, I was not precise, we discussed specifically Polish responsa. I tihnk this is connected historically with overall decline of Poland during industrialization when they enjoyed being the most productive country while others to the West retooled… Jews being part of the economy developed accordingly.

I already commented on your really sick attitude of questioning credential of anyone quoted outside of your immediate knowledge. I presume YWM has a hidden list of Torah credentials that they do not allow to offend, I am not sure how one registers with the list.