Reply To: What Happened To the Forum I Loved so Well?

“i don’t think believing that the return of many jews to eretz yisroel being part of the geulah is zionism and/or inherently treif. It’s when they mix the state up in it that it gets to be a problem;”

Practically speaking, it’s pretty much impossible to make the differentiation that you’re suggesting. The state is what allowed all of those Jews to make aliyah between the right of return, actual Zionist immigration, and mass amounts of Jews they brought in from middle eastern countries. I don’t see how this mass migration can be separated from the state, practically. Maybe on a theoretical level, yes, but what would that matter?

“but i don’t think such a shitah in and of itself makes someone zionistic”
Eh, we’re talking quasi-Zionistic here. And, remember, most people that talk about Jews returning to Israel in a messianic manor are not adding on the disclaimer that the state is problematic, and it certainly does not go without saying today even in the chareidi world.

Since we’ve been on Zionism for a long time, allow me to use this latest conversation to pivot to other purpose of the CR: there’s a lot of overlap between Zionist messianism and Chabad messianism. Eg. surely it’s not a coincidence that the Jews regained control of the holy land during the Rebbe’s lifetime, right?