DaMoshe:
Everything you said is just nonsense MO propaganda that they say about the chareidi would to console themselves. It’s kind of sad that that’s the primary reason anyone would continue to identify as modern.
“But the yeshivish world believes in a cookie cutter system, where everyone must fit the same shape.”
The yeshivish world contains learning guys, balhabatim, and various people trying to do a combination of both. The modern world contains ONLY people deeply entrenched in the secular, working world. Any community is going to have this “cookie cutter” problem, but I actually think it’s way worse for the MO. If you don’t believe me, try fitting into an MO community while making under a six-figure salary.
N0m:
“Relatively – MO is starting with a lower halachic standard. If the law people go beyond that standard out of a personal commitment, that is worth noting.”
Lol, okay then I would like to take this moment to make note of the fact that the Reform Jews are the holiest and frummest yidden because they fully make good on the level of halacha to which they commit, which is nothing at all. They often even go above and beyond by actually doing something.
“The form of Anti Zionism by Mizrachi is that the government seeks it’s own power and justifications beyond advocating Mizrachi ideals.”
That’s not anti-zionism, that’s just disliking the government running Israel. Radical Zionists probably hate the government more than anyone, just like how far right patriots in America hate the government more than anyone.
Mentsch:
“Ideologically they aren’t “MO” Perhaps subconsciously they have deeper guilt feelings . But from what I can tell there are minimal differences.”
What you’re describing is yeshivish people who are going off the derech. You’ve accidentally made a good point, which is that when yeshivish people go off the derech, they still just wind up basically being MO Jews.