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AviraDeArah
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Again, i asked you to quote the source itself, not the mareh makom, because 6 times you’ve quoted things that don’t exist or which are wrenched out of context.

But alas, I’m weak. I gave in and looked at Hebrewbooks for sefer hasichos from 5702…. And it’s not there.. There’s 5680’s, and there’s 5703, 05, 08, but none from 02. And it’s from the rayatz so it would be admissible into this conversation. A statement from the last Lubavitcher rebbe claiming a historic fact would do little to justify chabad; it’s like saying we’re right because our rebbe says so. Did you get the year wrong?

Who was the Rayatz supposedly debating? A random am haaretz who happened to be a litvak who maybe said some nonsense?

Again, i asked for sources at the time of hisgalus toras habesht, which accuse the Gaon and tzlach(do you know who the tzlach was?) Of being stagnant and not feeling a need to do teshuva.

If you want to know what the misnagdim had a problem with, learn nefesh hachaim; it’s kind of like the litvishe tanya in many ways.

The main problems were:

The Gaon held that the besht’s pshat in tzimtzum was apikorsus. I know very little and tzintzumim, so I will not attempt to delve into what that machlokes was, but it’s in the kol koreh signed by the Gaon and other misnagdim putting the rebbes in cherem..

Davening late, and a few other issues such pertained to halacha.

doing things which looked strange, which may not have had halachik issues

A major issue was the replacement or addition to the talmid chochom as the only leadership position of klal yisroel, with someone whose chief activities and notoriety was in the area of avodah and tzidkus. While integral to yiddishkeit, the idea of a leader being defined as a leader by anything else besides torah was objectionable.

The emphasis on lishma and the possibility of neglecting learning because it’s not lishma.

The idea of dveikus in Hashem while learning; I’m not sure if historically any of the rebbes stressed thinking about Hashem while learning… The tanya speaks about how Torah is the biggest dveikus, but it happens by itself, “even though he doesn’t see it.” It could be that the misnagdim heard the simple folk say things like that and thought that the rebbes must have said so – this is my personal contention, but i don’t know for sure.

This is the basic outline of the machlokes. Nothing to do with chasidim being objectively superior and giving mussar to the gedolim about how they have to keep shteiging and not be complacent.