Avira,
Ur again being disingenuous as to the flow of this conversation. Nowhere did I list any of the people u mentioned as gedolim. I already repeated the claim I was addressing which, again, included less than respectable people hence the reference to shabtai tzvi. I didn’t even claim dovid alroys followers were gedolim. I only used it as an example of people who are legitimate Jewish people that produced these claims. U have now, seeing that I have things to say about movements and even talmidei chachamim who do not dismiss this idea, taken refuge in ur favorite word gedolim defining who is a gadol per ur desire and thereby somehow attempting to win this argument because no gadol ever said it themselves on somebody. Cool. Ur losing ground and making excuses