Avira,
I responded at length at this but for some reason the editors didn’t allow it to go through so I’ll respond bkitzur
Your responses have been deleted because of language you used that is unacceptable from any yids mouth. I waver between deleting all future ones or just temporarily.
FYI
1. I never claimed everyone connected to Ruzhiner chassidus beleived it, but if they don’t know what he said then they don’t know. The fact is he said it and it’s recorded. I’m really not interested in playing these games of questioning my sources when I have said a few times now that I will literally email it to u and if not where u can go looking for it. U have not taken me up on my offer and thats ur problem
2. What did I attempt to prove with shabtai? Rather simple. Someone claimed nobody even in false messianic cults have argued for Moshiach from the dead until 1994. This is a horrid lie(apparently those are allowed on here, just not my long rebuttals) and I cited false messianic movements which did. The question is why did he make this claim? As far as I am concerned it was in order to insult lubavitch further by saying we are saying something so novel that no other movement has ever made it. It’s in my interest then to say that this isn’t the case. Kmuvan vgam pashut. I’m allowed to correct an inaccurate statement for the sole point of correcting inaccuracy in any event. Simple enough critique to follow
3. Nowhere did I say zev Leff was a gadol. My whole point is in criticizing your continued shifting of goal posts. First it wasn’t Jewish, then it was only a das yachid then it was just pirushim then it was just am haratzim that beleived in it, and now it’s well u can quote tzaddikim and talmidei chachamim who believed in this like shefanishter rebbe or people who allow it or say it isn’t heresy and apologize for the fake news(like zev Leff) BUT THEY ARENT GADOLIM. And who is a gadol? Whoever u want to pick and say is a gadol. It’s not logical ur continuously creating new hoops to jump through. I’ve brought and quoted sources on every front and u only move the goal posts further and further without acknowledging I sourced the other 5 goalposts u asked of me. It has sources, it’s defended by many talmidei chachamim, as far as I’m concerned that’s good enough to be respected part of Jewish conversion. But no if I can’t quote a “gadol” then the rest disappears. Please