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AviraDeArah
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Mdd, i was responding in the context of the “velts vort” about victims of the Holocaust, that they and other martyrs go straight to olam haba, regardless of their past. Of course there’s a lot in between eternal damnation, which is exceedingly rare, and being mezuman l’olam haba – 99% of people are in that middle category.

It should be noted that the chazon ish writes that the mitzvah of hating reshoim is not applicable in our time, because no one can be fully considered as “achar tochacha,” that he has received adequate tochacha, and is a full fledged maizid. As known, the chazon ish fought the zionist apikorsim leaders for decades and did not treat them with kid gloves.

The gemara says that rebbe meir originally davened for reshoim to die, until bruriah told him yitamu chataim velo chotim; he then davened for them to do teshuva. How does that shtim with v’stah Elokim…? Great kasha, but when we don’t take casual readings of pesukim over clear gemaros. Who was the pasuk referring to? I don’t know.

Re, mumar, shiva, etc…again, we don’t find gedolim advocating this practice in our time. Even the family of people who commit suicide are, as far as I’ve heard, told to sit shiva – I’ve heard different shitos on this, but i have never heard of a posek telling people to celebrate as we once did.