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@awerty
i finally proved my sources??? this is not something i should need to prove. its a clear gemara. so now you want to make a difference between those who had a lengthy stay and those not. only the yerushalmi mentions the lengthy stay in gehenom. what about the bavli? that says ???? – meaning all that the mishna and gemarah there say dont – see the gemarah there
what about the medrtash shmuel? ramban? emak hamelech
why dont you learn the whole sugya, then ask all your questions at once?!
but here is a clear ari zal ??????? ??”? ??????”? ??’ ????, ??”?: ?? ????? ?? ??? ??? ????”? ??’ ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ????”? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ??’ ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????. ??”?.
see also ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????”?, ??? ?’ ???? ????????, ??”?: ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????”? ????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????, ??? ?? ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ???.
???”? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ????? ????? ??”?: ??? ???? ????? ???? ??’ ????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ????’???? ?? ????? ??”? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??’ ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ????’ ?? ???? ??’ ?? ???????.
but let me ask you a question back, the rambam writes ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???. ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????. ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????. ????? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ???. ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?????. ??????. ???????. ??? ????? ????. ??????? ???? ?? ??????:
so he says clearly lashon hara is worse than avoda zara, so before spreaking lashon hara about someone (thinking you have a heter because he’s a kofer or oved avoda zara) you must be very sure becasue your’re risking your chelek of olam haba!!!!!
i dont know who trotsky is, but the gemarah in kidushin talks about jews who serve a”z, the gemarah also talks about oso haish in giten.
time for you to learn chassidus, or at least medrash, agadah, ein yaakov, learn what a jew is. (you can even look in nefesh hachayim)
a jew is one with hashem no matter what, nothing can be higher than being one with g-d, so there can not be levels.