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To a large degree, the pro medina/anti medina machlokes is moot.

The medina for better or for worse is here and as much as one legitimately hates the medina, it is not possible for it to go away bderech hateva wo horific danger to Jews.

The question that is lmaaseh today is : how does a frum Jew support the medina vis a vis how it protects Jewish lives and enables a relatively comfortable torah lifestyle wo comprising on ones ideological opposition to the state as the states mahus is in clear opposition to almost all torah values.

Btw, this is the real reason frum Jews don’t serve in the army en masse – the state is not our state. It does not represent us any more than the USA or Russia does, so you won’t find any mass of yungerleit signing up for the marines or the Wagner group either. We are still in golus and will only identify with a political entity when it is under Melech haMoshiach and Sanhedrin.

OTOH, serving in the idf in order protect Jewish lives is a zchus that can’t be overestimated.

The challenge for frum Jews is to balance these two concepts that can easily be misunderstood as being at loggerheads when in fact they are not.