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“Here is where you have the lesser side in this debate.”
You don’t know your right arm from your left regarding this inyan.

“The question I posed was that Rav Moshe wrote here that “it is all written at length in every single detail in my sefer Iggros Moshe siman 139 (Which you refer to as the Manhattan Teshuva ).” Yet you say that he changed his opinion immediately after writing that he didn’t. So you didn’t solve the actual issue at all. You have a reason for this, that Rav Moshe was formulating his opinion about Brooklyn. [It is funny to think that Rav Moshe had not had an opinion about Brooklyn when he wrote the teshuva in Chelek Aleph. As if someone of Rav Moshe’s stature has to figure out his general ideas about an eiruv when the question arises. It is even funnier when we note that the first pert of the Manhattan teshuva is about Brooklyn. And a clear understanding of the entire letter will reveal (the assumption) that Manhattan had a more solid basis for an Eruv at the time.]”
Huh. A bunch of smoke. First of all I don’t have to answer for every word of Rav Moshe, contrary to you and your ilk, I do not believe that he was a Rishon, and his words cannot be dissected as such. Furthermore, you have not answered my clear proof that he added to his teshuvah, in order to object to a Brooklyn Eruv. Moreover, I never said that he changed his mind. I only stated that the words that you constantly harp on are proven wrong by the fact that he himself added in that same teshuvah to his chiddushim. Additionally I answered that he was referring to the matter of 12 mil by 12 mil, which was his chiddush in 1:139. No Rav Moshe changed his mind regarding the criterion of shishim ribo a few times. In 1:109, it is clear that he maintained that it is conditional of the street. In 1:139:5, he wrote that he has a chiddush that it is dependent on a 12 mil by 12 mil area. Only later in Brooklyn where it was pertinent did he add to his teshuvah, how to reckon the number of people over the 12 mil by 12 mil area. [Manhattan was encompass by mechitzos so only regarding the bridges was the criterion of shishim ribo pertinent. Hence, Rav Moshe did not need to formulate his later chiddush of three million.] Your argument that Rav Moshe did not need to formulate an opinion he knew it all, is contradicted by that fact that he changed his mind numerus times regarding the criterion. Most of all, these types of arguments are made by people who worship Rav Moshe, and don’t know much about the halachic process. Rav Moshe was not infallible, and clearly, and self admittedly was mechudah in this matter. As to the the matter of the Brooklyn teshuvah (1:138) being the beginning of the Manhattan teshuvah, it is apparent you never learnt the teshuvah. The Brooklyn teshuvah is only regarding the Myrtle Ave EL, and not about the efficacy of an eruv in Brooklyn. Stop shooting your mouth off on issues you know nothing about.