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CS: “Wow alot here”

Ditto!

Your quote from Rashi in Daniel says that Mashiach will be “covered” from us for 45 years. If you are relying on this, why do you keep hoping/saying “Mashiach Now!” And if you are not relying on the 45 year time period, then don’t quote us the Rashi. You can’t have it both ways!

And the Toras Moshe you quoted says six months. So here the problem is the opposite. Either you believe it’s only six months, so obviously your rebbe isn’t the Mashiach he is referring to, or you don’t believe in the six month time period. So don’t quote that Toras Moshe. Again, you can’t have it both ways!

Anyway, as someone pointed out, “covered” or “disappearing” is not the same as dying.

“Firstly this was a major prediction that no one else made and came with a lot of achrayus.”

Right, and I still remember it being that no one will be killed, not that there will not be missiles. A major prediction with lots of achrayus… and in the end, incorrect.

“Secondly, in the sicha, The Rebbe referenced the Alter Rebbe as saying that Chassidim should only ask for spiritual guidance, because guidance for physical matters belongs to neviim as Shaul asked the Navi Shmuel about his lost donkeys… yet we see that all Rebbeim, including the Alter Rebbe, did dispense advice about physical matters, which indicates they were neviim.”

Is that really your proof?! Wow! How weak. Because guidance in physical matters should belong only to nevi’im – is there a source for the Baal Hatanya saying that, or are we just to take the Lubavicher rebbe’s word for it? – therefore someone who gives physical guidance must be a novi!

Guess what? I have just realised that I, and most of my friends, and my bank manager, and the person next to me in shul, are all nevi’im, as we have all given physical advice.

Furthermore, according to what you wrote, not only Lubavicher rebbes are nevi’im, as other rebbes – even those few past or present who Lubavich believes in – have given physical advice. So, according to the weird logic above, they are also nevi’im. What is special, then, about Lubavich?

“at least in one instance, someone asked his Rebbe for not a bracha, but a havtacha, to which his Rebbe said that if he wants a havtacha, there’s only one place in the world- Lubavitch…”

A story about a rebbe without a name is almost as strong a proof as the “proofs” the Lubavicher rebbe said about himself!

“There are countless stories where The Rebbe told people not to have life saving surgeries, and similar situations, which turned out fine.”

I am sitting here shaking my head at how naïve you are. Let me enlighten you. There are countless stories about other tzaddikim – some of them, perish the thought, even Litvish – who have advised against apparent life-saving surgeries and were proven right! Yes, it’s true and documented. You can find them online if you search.