Reply To: Clarification to mod and DaMoshe

Arso

“We all know – it has been discussed and never denied – that the tznius and mixing of genders in Crown Heights is far worse than in any other chareidi enclave. We all know that the number of children allowed unfettered use of internet and smartphones is far greater in Crown Heights that in any other chareidi enclave. Women putting the stress on learning gemoro and chassidus instead of looking after their children’s Yiddishkeit, is worse than counterproductive!”

Completely missing the point. Wanna reread or do I need to explain?

“Now if you are part of the minority who doesn’t allow the above in your home, well done (!), and Hashem should help you continue in your efforts. But we are not having a personal debate about you versus us. It is about what goes on in Lubavich versus the proper chareidi world.”

I think we’ve discussed this before. The other chareidim operate on chitzonius first basis. This is my info from my personal contacts. So if you have the perfect dress and keep the communal standards, your kids can go to the school.

In lubavitch we don’t work that way. We accept all kids in the schools and other institutions. Therefore, you will see people who are more modern dress that way so their outside matched their inside more or less.

Whereas in the other set up, if someone watches movies etc, they would likely still dress the same as everyone else.

This doesn’t mean lubavitch has less yiras shomayim overall, it just means we’re more transparent about where we’re at. It also means that since everyone can be honest with no repercussions, it’s likely easier for those who are more modern to mix and open up to the more Chassidish, whereas if you have to worry about external factors, that may inhibit those struggling to open up and get help.

It’s just a completely different community structure. Yes, you can enforce (with repercussions) the way someone dresses, but you cannot enforce yiras shomayim. Also, lubavitch embraces many different levels of Yiddishkeit and chassidishkeit, and we all mix with each other with an emphasis on ahavas Yisrael, so those baalei teshuva who have not gone the whole way, and the Ffb who has chilled, are equally as part of the community as the most Chassidish.

Whereas, as one Satmar woman told my mother (a bt) that she was happy to teach her homemaking skills once she was already frum, but if she had showed up to her house not frum/ tznius (as she did by Chabad), she would have closed her shutters and not opened the door.

So all in all, your comparisons are off.