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“And the term connotes responsibility for all Jews, not just your community.”

CS, you have touched on a very interesting point.

I’m sure you’ll agree that despite the concept of arvus for all Yidden, a parent should definitely be more concerned about the actions of his own children that the actions of others. True? And a shul Rabbi whould be more concerned about the actions of his community than that of other communities.

The same is true with a Rebbe. Despite him being concerned with the actions of all Yidden, his responsibility – nothing to do with selfishness – is first and foremost to his own chassidim, and only then to the rest of Klal Yisrael.

In the opinion of virtually all non-Lubavichers who know what the situation is in Lubavich that I have talked to, this is a big part of the problem of Lubavich. You can claim what you like about (non-existent) Nesius, and Meshichism, but he neglected his community more than he should have. Of course I don’t mean that he ignored them, but he should have put less effort into “running the world” and more into his own followers. That is why the tznius in Lubavitch, and the numbers of youth going OTD is far worse than in any other chassidus WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

What percentage of unmarried kids in, say, Satmar, Belz, Ger, Vizhnitz, Tsanz etc have access to unfiltered internet and to unfiltered smartphones? Now what is the percentage in Lubavich? I don’t know figures, but I do know that the percentage in Lubavich is many many times greater than in the other groups. The same is unfortunately true with kids – even kids of committed shluchim – going OTD. (If you deny any of this I will conclude one of two things: either you are lying outright or you are completely insane. I KNOW exactly what I am talking about, and I have been asked many times to deal with the problem specifically in Lubavich. I’m sure you’re surprised at that, but it’s true.)

You also write, in regards to Lubavich kids doing kol minei nevoloh: “Coming from lubavitch, The ones who consistently are into learning and can rattle off the sichos in depth, are not generally the ones involved with that kind of stuff…”

What you don’t realise is that for many of us, what constitutes “kol minei nevoloh” is far different to what you consider it. I’ll give you two examples. Amongst other chassidim, chassanim meeting their kallos after the engagement is non-existent or at the very least kept to a VERY bare minimum. In Lubavich it is unfortunately common practice. In Lubavich bochurim eating at the same table as non-related girls is acceptable. Not in other chatzeiros.

Even the ones who can rattle off sichos keep to these very low standards, and virtually all (that I know of – you can correct me here if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am) have smartphones which they access even in shule.