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AviraDeArah
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Halevi, ok – not divrei havai, that’s the lashon harambam; the gemara’s lashon is tiflus. Is that any better?

As for your understanding of the yerushalmi, it’s missing daatan kalos – not only is there armah, which makes them able to hide their sins, they are daatan kalos and more easily persuaded to sin than men. And that’s a constant, axiomatic principle, to which even beruriah was not immune, as rashi tells us. She thought she was above that dictum, but rebbe meir showed her how she was not. Also chachma refers to Torah, not math and science.

And from that story, i believe that the rambam paskenex that no women at all, even the minority, havd schar for torah shebaal peh, because of the yerushalmi and the story with bruriah, even in the event that she’s from the minority which are not motzi divrei Torah ldivrei havai, because he does not qualify the “ain la schar” with anything – she, any woman, does not have schar, because she is putting herself in the same trap that ensnared bruriah.

And you’re falling into the trap of comparing secular studies to Torah. Take a look at the “serious” “teshuvos” written by women who study gemara. They’re a complete bizayon, degrees and all. Modern Orthodox jews like to compare Torah with science – they work differently, snd anyone who’s learned Torah b’iyun knows that