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Chaim87
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@jackk,
I don’t disagree re your assessment of how bad of a person Trump is. However I do disagree about Israel . And I do not think you as a Jew are entitled to put America first. This isn’t just the classic pro vs anti Israel debate. Oct 7 is modern day holocaust and requires us dropping every other value for that. Imagine if by electing trump you saved Jews from dying in 1944 vs FDR yimach shimo. Wouldn’t you have done it then no matter how bad of a person Trump is. I don’t think that as a Jew you have the right to care about anything else.

Now to Bibi. At the end of the day Israel cannot do this alone. The recent Iranian attack shows that. You say Bibi will do what is best for Israel’s security no matter what. But here is the thing. Israel needs the USA for its security. If Biden won’t allow Gaza Bibi cannot go against him.

Re Biden s goals, I agree that ideally he wants Hamas destroyed like Israel. But he is scared of the Arabs. It’s 1B Muslims against 20m Jews . The Muslims are louder and scarier. Deep down Biden knows the moral choice. It’s not like Biden really believes these Palestinians are innocent. He simply is too scared of the Palestinians and has to balance that with the need to destroy Hamas. Now it’s not a zero sum game and yes there are a few innocent that die although most aren’t. And so there is a bit of that too. But even for those innocent that die, anyone with true moral Justice gets that, when an enemy bent on killing, kidnapping and abusing you, again and again hides behind them there is no choice. Biden drinks tue Hamas PR kook aid too much. Trump doesn’t fall for their PR stunts.

Now let me explain what finishing the job means because it’s really simple. It means destroying Hamas total infrastructure and disrupting their power to govern. As long as they have rafah they have infrastructure, governing systems, power etc. Once that’s all destroyed they have nothing. Does that mean Hamas goes away ? No . Is there an end solution ? No there isn’t. Because the honest truth is Gaza is just a huge Jonestown like cult. All 2m people drink the kool aid since they are in the cradle. You can’t stop them. But you can limit them. If hamas infrastructure is gone , they have no way to commit oct 7 again. The Shfa disaster where Israel cornered over 700 fighters proves this. Once their infrastructure is gone once they crawl out they have no where to run and reorganise. They will always be around but too weak to mobilise. And Israel will just keep on wacking. And so finish the job means Israel take Rafah. That’s the goal.