Reply To: כחי ועצם ידי

Lerntmin – Good point. Firstly, how exactly are the Zionists preparing Eretz Yisroel for Mashiach? Secondly, I’m not telling anyone to go fight a war against Zionists. Rather, everyone should be aware and recognize the fact that founding the State was wrong, and that believing in Zionism is wrong. I’m simply clarifying that regardless of which people occupy Eretz Yisroel, it belongs to us; and we shouldn’t feel for a second that because of the State of Israel, Eretz Yisroel belongs to us in a bigger, stronger, greater way …

DaMoshe: What are you supporting when you support the State of Israel? Are you supporting Torah? Are you supporting Yiddishkeit? What about supporting the State can bring you closer to Hashem, what about it will make you one step closer to fulfilling your tafkid, what about it will bring Mashiach closer? If there’s no ruchniyus substance, meaning, or depth to something , and kal v’chomer, if those who began that ‘something’ were apikorsim and openly against everything connected to Torah and Yiddishkeit, you can be one hundred percent sure that merely supporting it is wrong.

A Yid is a Yid no matter how far flung he is.
And therefore, the recognition that supporting the State of Israel is wrong doesn’t mean we should hate Zionists, or not appreciate the Mesirus Nefesh of the IDF, or disregard anything connected to Zionism. Rather, it means being aware of what’s right and what’s wrong. It means following the Gedolei Torah, and being cognizant of when we cross the line.

The State of Israel was founded to uproot Klal Yisroel from being defined by the Torah, into being defined by what all the non-Jewish nations are defined by – their common language, culture, and land.
“אין אומתינו אומה אלא בתורה”
Klal Yisroel is not defined, identified by, or supported by anything but the תורה, regardless of what language we speak or which land we live in. The founding of the State of Israel was to change exactly that; an effort to assimilate Klal Yisroel into the nations of the world, by severing our attachment to our lifeline, the תורה. The very existence of the State is a symbol of apikorsim attempting to strip Klal Yisroel of our eternal bond to the תורה, and to reconnect us to the emptiness of what the אומות העולם attach themselves to and define themselves by.

AAQ: 1- So give me one reason why no Gedolei Torah support the current State of Israel.
2- Inherited power doesn’t determine connection to foundation.
3- Chareidi parties participate in the Israeli government for the sole purpose of maintaining whatever Yiddishkeit and שמירת מצוות already exists in א”י, and to aid the Chareidi Yidden there in any way possible. In no way do they support the State of Israel – they support ארץ ישראל and its קדושה, they support תורה.

Rav Avigdor Miller: “Zionism is a substitute for Judaism. It would be the same if someone began a movement, Tefillinism or Sukkaism. Anybody who emphasizes one thing is already under suspicion that he does not belong to the Torah Jews. And that’s because the Torah is composed of taryag mitzvos and when one chooses a single mitzvah and makes a big fuss about it, then we suspect him of intending to do away with the rest. And that’s exactly what Zionism is. It’s an attempt to substitute nationalism for everything else – for mitzvos, for Torah and even for G-d himself.”