wtsp > AAQ: 1- So give me one reason why no Gedolei Torah support the current State of Israel.
For multiple reasons. For one, you are using “no true scotsman” sevorah – you were taught who the gedolei Israel are. I learn with, and read both charedi and non-charedi Talmidei Chachamim and I see arguments on both sides of such issues. One thing I see in person – a lot of Rabbis I find convincing based solely on what they teach – most likely also respect each other, across the party line. My most charedi rav who rails against college raises up when my most non-charedi rav, who mostly teaches people with graduate degrees, walks in. We can see the same at higher levels – as we discussed her ad nauseum, R Soloveitchik, R Feinstein, Lubavitcher Rebbe were respectful towards each other, etc, etc.
For another, explicit charedi policy from Chazon Ish and on is to separate the community from the outside dangers, to be in the proverbial (Rambamian) midbar. This policy led to a lot of success both in EY and chutz laaretz, but it creates limitations to what one can accept as a social policy. I know of people, for example, with children in very charedi yeshiva where nobody went to college, and when he asked Rosh Yeshiva, he allowed it.
For third, I am not sure all information get publicized. Is it well known, for a random example, that R Auerbach allowed future R Lau to study for bagrut while in his yeshiva and then chastised the boy when he said that he is not interested in science – “I listen to Hebrew U students in the bus discussing physics and how you can be not interested in it!”. That R Eliyasiv was apparently already very familiar with Mossad activities when someone asked him a shaila about related issues. …