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Chaim87
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I didn’t read every comment. But i do think you are a bit proposing conspiracy theories and mixing it up with just plain very poor personality traits.

Lets start with Oct 7, sorry for being sharp but anyone who believes that Bibi intentionally knew about the attack and just ignored it for self gain (even if eh didn’t anticipate the extent) is just a full quack conspiracy theorist. I don’t think I need to provide rationale as to why a leader even a poor one and a “secular zionist” would never intentionally let other jews die. Its just insane.

Now here is the thing. Is Bibi guilty of ignoring warning signs? yes Is he guilty of ill prepping the army to respond both immediately and ground invasion? yes. And he was in charge for 25+ years (with a few small breaks). The buck stops at him. I will say that hamas played a good deception game. But still, he should have been at his game. So he is guilty of being careless. That’s probably because he is a bal gava and haughty. He thinks he is always the smartest and he is indeed wise but nobody is that wise. Thats not the same thing as saying he intentionally let it happen. Bibi is not inherently evil.

Now re Iran. There is much more data. There were inspectors there at the site. Israel even raided it once. To say nothing was going on like in Iraq, is again just wacky naive and ignoring the facts. It is true though that there is no proof that they were about to make the final pitch or just stop at kind of that 80% mark. In all likelihood they wanted to reach a point where its not fully there but its at a place where completing it isn’t that difficult all while saying its for their own energy needs. This is pretty clear. So where they on the “verge of completion”? And what does it mean that its completed. Does that mean luanch ready or just like the technology is there but its still another whole path to launch it. So maybe thats enough to say, now wasn’t the time yet maybe not. Thats debatable. But again lets not make it as if there was nothing there. That’s just denying the facts.

Perosnally I was more disturbed at Iran sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis vs the nukes. That was clear. They deserved to go for that. And so Bibi was right anyhow.

Re your upbringing, I think depsite your open mind, satmar ideology still crept in (Not saying its extrreme NK but it has sprinkles of that). This is the same reba/ chasidus, who refsued to cooperate with the zionists during the war when jews could have been saved. The same people who say Kastener was evil and Ben hecht book is all true. The real truth is, while Kastner was no saint, he risked more to save jews than the frum rosh hakohul from Budapest who was complict in sending jews to their slaughter and lying to them. Satmar makes up facts. (They even cover up who saved the reba on 21 kislev)