think big, actually, your posting made me chuckle. You seem to lump me together with cantoresq in one big anti-chareidi mass. Forgive me if I am wrong about this. I am kind of disappointed in that because I love chassidim -who are certainly charedim. I have learned in chareidi yeshivos and, as you wrote, have two sons who may be considered in the chareidi camp. So, I fully and absolutely understand the chareidi position(and yes, I have learned the vaoyel moshe too).
Our disagreement is about which way is the truth- no- let me rephrase this- which way is more applicable today, because I don’t want to imply that the chareidi/agudah way is “wrong”. And in this, I squarely follow the Gedolim ,and there are many of them, who take a much more sanguine view of Eretz yisroel and our attachment to the medinah.
The reason why I do not suscribe to an uncritical acceptance of a specific Godol’s word is because I just don’t believe that gedolim are infallible, and especially when there are other divergent views.
Well, maybe now we have truly exhausted our discussion on this and only the future will tell.