this is so ridiculous. It seems that if you were looking for some intellectual responses and advice on how to proceed if a) the guy does not possess the attribute of opening the car door and or not walking her to her door home and b)under what curcumstances it is ok to say no to a guy. If someone wanted real hard core ideas on dating, this woould not e the proper forum for it. maybe you guys, the squabling and bickering crew can meet in a baseball field and have it out.It is unfair to have this immature bickering about boats and grandparents. Grow up.
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