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Joseph, your sophistic prevarication speaks louder than your words. You’ve made your point, my point actually. There is no chance ever that chareidim will ever fully embrace the legitimacy of non-chareidiut, even if they themselves choose to live otherwise. There is no ever that chareidim will reocognize the spiritual greatness of non-chareidi rabbanim. There is no chance ever that chareidim will fully embrace other Jews on any other than their (i.e. chareidi) terms. Certain chareidi apologists like R. Shafran or Jonathan Rosenbloom may be very polite in this rejection of other Jewish schools of thought and of other Jews, other less so. But the facts remain the same. The doctrinal split is manifest. It’s a matter of time before the sociological implications come home to roost.