chaverim, are secular Jews really in the same category as reform Jews? Please educate me.
It may be debatable who is worse between the reform leaders and the zionist leaders. They’re both pretty bad.
And I’m not saying those who oppsose the State of Israel have to leave.
Isn’t that exactly what you said in your previous comment?
I’m just saying they have a choice. They choose to live in the country of Israel. Pretend it’s being governed by non Jews. What’s the difference.
Many of them lived there before the zionists came. Let the zionists move out. And even those that didn’t, like I said earlier, have a halachic right to live there regardless of who is in brute control.
Live there, but respect the government. (ok, I know that sounds ridiculous, but do you get my point?)
You wouldn’t say that about Soviet Jews needing to respect the communist government oppressing Judaism, and the same applies here.
Can you please say where this is a “right” and not a privilege?
In various places. One of them if my memory is correct is a Ran I think in Mesechtes Nedarim.
I was always taught that if we do the wrong thing the “land will kick us out”.
That principle may apply in chutz l’aretz, but halachicly not in E.Y.