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July 13, 2009 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm
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ROB: Thank you for the best wishes, may you have much nachas from your family as well. Generally speaking “grama” refers to something that takes place with a significant time delay, not a situation where the result of your action is instant. I don’t know how Tosfos deals with this, but I see that the universally accepted Halacha is to consider turning off the gas true kibuyi.