3- YOU know someone who is in the car.
*TWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTT*
Hey, Mods! Can I get a foul call on this? He moved the goalposts!
In a thread on hitching rides, HIE says:
I go to yeshiva on Ditmas Ave. and East ninth. and i have to take the coney island bus (B68) to get from Ave J until Ditmas. I appreciate it very much when people stop and pick me up, instead of waiting for a bus. I don’t see any issues with it. I don’t flag down cars but i stand by the curb and if someone is nice enough to stop i am happy.
When I point out the dangers (specifically mentioning the dangers of getting into a car with people you don’t know), he responds with:
wolfish, I have been taking rides for FIVE years and i never got kidnapped and i don’t know anyone who did
When I reiterate that I would never pick up someone I don’t know, he says:
it’s not naive. IT is a mitzvah to pick up bochurim and frum people.
RABBI REISMAN shelita, Rosh Hayeshiva, Yeshiva Torah Vodaath, oNce said, “there should never be bochurim waiting by a bus stop in a frum area” meaning to say that people should offer rides
I followed up with this by stating that, IMHO, Rabbi Reisman is wrong and that it’s irresponsible to tell bochrim to get into cars with strangers. My exact wording was:
Fair enough. Nonetheless, I think R. Reisman is wrong on this issue. Teaching bochrim to get into cars with strangers, even those that appear frum is just wrong and dangerous.
For that, I get flack from HIE:
First of all you have to have alot of guts to say that.
Also, Rabbi Reisman isn’t saying that boys should stick out their hands to hitch. he’s saying it the other way around. If a frum person sees a bochur waiting he should stop and tell him to come in.
In other words, it still sounds like we’re talking about getting rides from strangers. I don’t see anywhere in this conversation where that’s changed.
Now, he comes back with stating that Rav Reisman was NOT talking about strangers but getting rides with people you know. Besides being incompatible with the original quote from Rav Reisman (does he think that everyone riding down Coney Island Avenue knows a bochur waiting by a bus stop?), it’s simply changing the goal posts.
HIE, if Rav Reisman was only talking about picking up people you know, why did you give me grief for disagreeing with Rav Reisman when I made it clear numerous times in this thread that I was only talking about picking up strangers. Obviously I have no objection to bochrim getting into cars with people they know and trust!
The Wolf