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english teacher, you are not correct. there are many linguists and grammarians who do not agree, and say that the written english rules of grammar do not apply to the spoken alnguage, and many seem say that spoken english have its own set of rules, but most agree that the written rule and the spoken rules are not the same, and the main example they tend to bring is the one i brought, of the usage of me and i. (there are grammarians that do agree, but not all.) i was not saying that in my original post that one should use me and yenim , and not use yenim and i, i was merely pointing out that a message board follows speech patterns, and not writting patterns, due to its nature as conversive english. (again not all grammarians agree, but then again, grammarians change the rules as times change, and usage changes.)