parenting with love and logic is great. and I fouond 123 magic very helpful for discipline. love and logic covers everything, avtive listening empathy etc… 1,2,3 magic is basically broken down into 2 parts stop behaviors and start behaviors ex: stop behavior, tantrums, back talk any thing you want them to stop doing. Start behaviors are cleaning up bed time, homework. for me using the 2 books together I found made a world of difference. I also loved miriam levi more effective jewish parenting. and you can call the chazak hotline 718-258-2008 they have classes on parenitng and inspirational stories as well
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