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charliehall
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“The apikorsus and licentiousness on campuses today in 2010 is far greater than in 1930 to the point they aren’t even comparable.”

Not true. Regarding ideas contrary to Torah, things are worse now. Ayn Rand had not written her awful hedonistic stuff yet. Post-modernism didn’t exist yet. And licentiousness was common hundreds of years ago, as the lyrics to the song “Gaudeamus Igitur” and many first hand accounts prove.

I teach at a division of YU. We have many frum students who learn every spare moment. We have many minyanim and shiurim from totally from rabbonim — and from each other. Yes, there is stuff that is non-tzniudnik in the classes. You would not want a doctor who doesn’t know the non-tzniudnik stuff; tzniut is trumped by pikuach nefesh. And Torah hashkafot that differ from yours are not “against the Torah”.

And once again you did not address a question I posed: Are there any gedolim who actually attended college who addressed issues such as these? Since you haven’t presented any, I would have to assume you don’t know of any.

Regarding the Rema’s prohibiting a secular course of study, obviously Rambam and Sforno did not follow that, and number of Jews attending university increased after the Rema’s death. Among them were Rabbi Joseph DelMedigo, who studied with none other than Galileo!. And Rav Hirsch, Rav Hildesheimer, Rav Herzog, and Rav Soloveitchik all entered university prior to age 25. (All had earned semicha prior to entering university.) You are cherrypicking sources without acknowledging that those opinions were not accepted as halachah on all of klal Yisrael.

Finally, while you can indeed identify the rare individual who becomes wealthy with little or no formal education, that is becoming more and more rare in these days. There are almost no professions or trades today in which one can earn sufficient parnassah to raise a Jewish family in the diaspora without at least some secular education.