sofdvar, I highly doubt any Rov will tell you that you can only go out twice a month. I think your Rov will tell you that you shouldn’t go out more than you need to.
Nobody is objecting to the fact that kol kovida bas melech pnima. Everyone understands women and girls should not hang out on the streets, in the malls or anywhere for that matter, just for the sake of hanging out.
However to posken halacha from the sources that Kasha brought down, while it’s indeed impressive, does not mean that in actuality we women can only go out twice a month. We have already been through a similiar argument in the Feminism thread where I don’t remember who wrote that the Rambam poskened that a man has the right to divorce his wife if she refuses to wash his feet. We have argued to what extent minhugim and das Yehudi has an effect on interpreting halacha. The bottom line is that most husbands would first of all not ask their wife to wash their feet and one who would and the wife would refuse and the husband would seek a get because of that reason, the Rov or bes din I think would seriously question his sanity.
Let’s understand something. The Torah was given to humans be they men or women. There is nothing in the Torah or halachas that if they pertain to someone they cannot keep anywhere or anytime.
Let’s discuss REALITY and halacha is ALWAYS APPLICABLE IN EVERY SITUATION AND GENERATION.
For starters should girls over bas mitzva not go to school? Attending school makes them go out AT LEAST five times a week!
If a father can’t take his child to the doctor because he’s working, the mother is not allowed to if she’ll overstep her two times a month out of the house allowance?
Girls who graduated school and women until they have kids would have to sit home doing nothing.
Walking to air out or for excersize, getting together at a resturaunt with freinds or even going out with one’s husband should be abolished?
Not every man can go grocery shopping that would entail the woman of the house to go out AT LEAST 4 times a week.
What about buying shoes and clothing for kids. Evreyone who has kids knows that this is not a one time ordeal. You need to buy and exchange for size, return what didn’t fit well, etc., boys stuff from one store, girls from another,skirts from one place matching tops from another, etc., etc., etc.
There’s no denying that’s it’s VITAL in today’s generation for girls to play outside with their freinds, go to their freinds houses to socialize, (in the Rambam’s time I doubt they had such social scenes which today is vital)go to school for extra ciricular activities such as plays, and other such VITAL mental health (yes it’s mental health for the girls)needs.
Halacha is poskened by Rabbonim and not by bringing down short excerpts and posting them on the internet.
In the times of the Bais Hamikdosh girls would GO OUT and DANCE in the vineyards and there would be shidduchim made there. Would we have such a social scene today? Absolutely not. We need to remember that minhugim play a huge role in the day to day life of Jews.
The bottom line is that girls or woman should not hang out day and night in the street, but coming, going, socializing in front of their own houses (if applicable – in the city in front of aparment buildings it might not be the correct thing to do)
Nobody’s going against halacha if we go out according to our needs. We women can still act btznius even though our needs our different.
Let’s be realistic. Someone who forbids to let their wife and daughters go out not more than twice a month would be considered abusive two say the least. At to that that such a man would probably be considered mushega.
Kol kevuda bas melech penima means that girls and women do not stam hang out, look for attention from men and boys, and are aidel and refined. It also means they respect and understand the fact that they should not congregate on the street or in front of a yeshiva or bais midrash and not walk in a loud or wild manner.
Kol kevoda bas melech penima means that not a women’s dress, not her job (other than being a mother) and not her physical guf is her kovod. Only what is hidden, her soul and her tznius, and the ruchnius that she permeates in the penimious of her house, that is her kovod.