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Moq
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Sacri-

First of all, with all due respect, chill.

Secondly, let me respond to your points one by one.


It makes you hypocritical, when you have symposiums and wag your head at how mad the outside world has filtered into our lives.

Exactly! This is what I said over and over again – and THIS IS A SYMPTON! But now it’s real, it’s here, and we can’t ignore it. If we get the mad secular world out of our five year olds brains, the next generation will be different! But we can’t deny the current – SAD UNFORTUNATE WISH IT WEREN’T THIS WAY – reality! It’s not hypocrisy; this is exactly the reason we make symposiums!Because we hope that later things will be different if we change things now. But ten years ago apparently we didn’t get the job done; look at what our boys are asking for! Quick , symposium. Not hypocrisy. Pragamatism. This is exactly what we want to change.

But we ain’t gonna change it by making miserable marriages.


“It makes you a hypocrite when you blast woman for being un-tzniusdik and being too attracting.”

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Again, this is what I said – this is a symptom! Women dress the way they do, and our boys get that image in their heads – THIS IS WHY WE BLAST THEM! (And yes, it’s sad cycle, boys ‘demand’, girls ‘comply’, and it only gets worse – chicken or the egg? etc. etc. etc.) But hypocrisy? Why? Why? Why?


” It makes you hypocritical when you can only wear a white shirt and black pants because that is a “uniform” of a Jew and the outside isnt the ikkar. Want more examples?”

Yes, our girls are more focused on penimius; B”H (though many are not). And more power to them. And they will profit in their marriages in a way that the boys won’t, by being able to marry a boy who is more average- but will respect and take care of them far more then – well, yeshivish Tom Cruise.

But are you complaining about hypocrisy? Or just anger at a sad reality? In which case I am angry too – I just won’t blame the boys, and won’t ignore reality when redting a shidduch.

(which is ok too, you are entitled to vent that average otherwise wonderful girls are ignored because our boys have been brainwashed by the media & ‘frum’ fashion – that’s true and worth venting over.

But it’s also reality, and we need to deal with as it is now – it’s not a question of blame – and dress more modest, and seal out the outside world, for the next crop of shidduchim, so that this won’t happen anymore).

We have to deal with the sad facts on the ground, and hope that they change in the future if we work on the underlying causes and not get obessed with the symptoms. Yes, we have a problem.