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WIY, ok lets start with this, we are of different generations and we have different life experiences so I will tell you off the bat that you have limited experience in what you are talking about.

“If a kid has access to this stuff he wont have any interest in Torah and Torah will not go in.”

Even this statement is false. There are many children from MO homes who have access to TV’s and movies who learn there full share of Torah, Gemorah, Mishanyos, etc. and continue on to yeshivos in E’Y, and guess what even go on to Kolel and become Rebbeim. Are you surprised? Yes even kids who watch TV and movies are Frum card carrying members of Jewish society and are completely shomer Torah and Mitzvos and even midos and maasim tovim. So lets get that straight from the beginning. Even many of today’s top Roshei Yeshivos watched TV as a kid and even dropped whatever they were doing to run home for their favorite shows. Are you shocked, don’t be. It was the way of the world.

In addition, it takes kids various amounts of time to go sour depending on their situations and you are wrong. The yeshiva can catch them if they care to and they can help and stop it in its tracks if they NOTICE and reach out to them. And it is NOT the TV, Movies etc that is ruining the kids, it is the dysfunctional home or the dysfunctional relationship the kid has at school. You have been brainwashed to think otherwise. I am not saying that a complete diet of TV or movies is healthy for anyone, but it is not what turns kids off to Torah. The problem with kids today is that they have not been turned ON to Torah to begin with and that’s where the Rebbe and the Yeshiva comes in. What are THEY doing wrong? or WHY did they not NOTICE that?

Had they chapped the child and TUNED them or TURNED them ON to begin with they would NOT be so interested in TV and MOVIES. Yes TV and movies are a distraction but they are also used because a child is BORED and needs to be entertained. If a child is interested in learning and enjoys it, or is excited by it or loves it, they would not be bored and in need of this distraction. Can you see that? They would be happy to prepare for the next day or even look something up to surprise and impress the Rebbe. Maybe even to chap another shiur in shul or with their father or chavrusa. That is what being TURNED on means. Are you aware that many homes have a TV but kids are so turned on to reading that they would rather read books than watch TV? Yeah, that happens too and that might be because their teachers TURNED them on to the power and the excitement of books! Or they would rather ride their bikes, roller blade, skate board, play basketball, etc.

You show a lit bit of naivity in your posts. And you show a lack of faith in the power of learning and in the strength and fortitude of the Toradik Jew that they can be swayed and persuaded so easily. What does that say about the chinuch that a child receives if it could be wiped out so easily by another child? It can’t be that strong or that great if a child cannot stand firm on that. And as I have said before, kids need to be instructed what to do if they are faced with these kinds of challenges. No they should not masser on a friend, but they should not carry these burdens on their tiny shoulders and they should not have to face such difficult challenges on their own. They should know from the time they are small that they always have someone to turn to whether it is a parent, a Rebbe in yeshiva or the Shul Rav. Why aren’t they taught that? Why weren’t you taught that?

And here is another question for you. Why is everything so black and white for you with no shades of gray? There seems to be something underlying in your conviction to this position.