havesomeseichel:
I must admit I’m not sure exactly what you’re so “deeply offended” at. Did somebody suggest men do not need to have self-control? I must have missed it. Actually, the post right before the one you seem to have an issue with seems to put the blame more on men than women (and I can’t help but point out that you’ll notice no men were “deeply offended” at that).
“If men would act appropriate, all frum environments would be safer.”
Why are you only mentioning men? If all the women would act appropriately, all frum environments would also be spiritually safer! I’m deeply offended. Why not talk about women who need SELF CONTROL?
In case it isn’t obvious enough, those last two sentences are meant to be read with a healthy dose of sarcasm. The point I’m trying to get across here is that everybody agrees both men and women must behave themselves – we just happen to be focusing on the opposite sides of the same coin.
“mdd- why should women wear something that is beyond halacha- just to solve your problems? see a psychologist if a married woman’s sheitel is causing you trouble.”
Whoa. All mdd said was that it would be nice if “women were machmir to cover their hair with something other than a shaitel.” As in, its a nice thing to do. Not quite the fighting words you’re making them out to be.
That said, as I mentioned before R’ Elyashiv holds that today’s human-hair sheitels are “erva” and assur… so this is hot necessarily “beyond halacha”.
“Why is it always “women need to do….” instead of how “men should not look, should control their thoughts/eyes/urges”?”
OK… men should not look, should control their thoughts/eyes/urges. Period.
“making the women lock themselves in closets, wear a bag over their head, or dress in potato sacks should not have to be done.”
I fully agree with you. All the many CR members demanding that woman lock themselves in closets, wear a bag over their head, and/or dress in potato sacks are dead wrong.
“Men should not be enticed by little things.”
And it shouldn’t get so cold in the winter. But the reality is what the reality is, whether we like it or not.
“the men should protect themselves too”
Of course. Where do you see anybody arguing?