Hudi: Please, I’m having a difficult keeping up. Are you suggesting that behaving in class is a “societal norm” such as apple pie and fried chicken? That behaving in class is not based upon respect and proper middos?
Again, if we are going to brand a way-of-life as producing kids who misbehave in class- which is defined as bad manners, and another way-of-life, as producing kids who behave in class which is defined as good manners, it sure should not be based upon some unverified observation. It should be based upon logic. You have not done so.
Maybe a teacher who views “yeshivish’ children negatively, will bring forth negative behavior of these students…..