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January 11, 2011 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm
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Aidim.
If the proposal is done in private, or even with only family there, there are no aidim and there are no questions; it CAN NOT be for Kiddushin.
Alt: If the ring has a stone, we Paskin it can not be used for Kiddushin as is (see Keddushin 7b-8a).