You guys are leaving out a second half of the discussion. Devorim Sheb’leiv Uv’leiv Kol Adam do count. Since everyone knows that it is customary nowadays to give a ring to a girl upon reaching an agreement to get married at a later date and that no one ever has in mind to accomplish Kiddushin by that giving of the ring, there should not be Kiddushin in such a case, even if two Kosher Eidim were present.
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