Mw13:
We weren’t discussing the modern world we were discussing “MO,” modern orthodox, which fits into your categorization of the “Yeshiva world” but was excluded in previous posts; glad you’ve come around.
And the point of bringing up Europe was to point out before, while you still were talking about Modern Orthodox, that your definition is skewed. It can’t be that anyone affected by modern culture would fall under the category of “Modern Orthodox.” According to your definition, everyone who was affected by European culture in that time period, and the subsequent gedolim, fell victim to “Modern” orthodoxy. Because the hat and suit and the even the tie fashion/trends start somewhere, and were at one point reflecting “modern” (that current time period’s) culture.
Just curious, do you wear a tie for shabbos? When did that style of tie become popular?