TBT
I didn’t think the reality of having a sheltered upbringing was an insult. Halevi’ I, and many others, had one as well. I apologize if you took it that way I’m just trying to demonstrate that your proofs are built off emotion which is inhibiting your objective analysis. The pashtus is, there are many who find these “proofs” unsatisfying because they have intellectual doubts regarding them. Not (Necessarily) anxiety and depression. But for someone who doesn’t already believe, the evidence must be that much more compelling.
My “argument”, is only that sm29’s “proofs” are not concrete. There are ways around them. I can’t give you a definitive answer how for the universe one, but I’m optimistic the scientists can. But personally, I haven’t taken the trouble to find out because that science question never bothered me.
I agree we are supposed to believe in the truth, but that does NOT mean that it is staring us in the faces. Our belief (underline) is based on emunah (underline). Not science. Not logic. Once you have that leap of faith though, then I consider it all to be completely logical and understandable.
Oh, and I believe I have addressed your point several times…
Someone who does not already want to believe will cling to that minuscule possibility. That is the point. Improbable, yes, impossible, no.
So while extraordinary and comforting for someone who believes in Hashem and the sacredness of Am Yisroel, someone who doesnt’ will have no problem disregarding these pieces of evidence.
I have mercy on the Mods so I’ll save the rest of what I want to write for later.