Reply To: What makes someone a Charadi?

There is only one Deveikus concept. And yes, it is mifurash Midrash like you qouted (as well as many other sources). Both Litvaks and Chasidim believe that this is the core of Judaism. The difference between Litvaks and Chasidim is to whether Limud Hatorah is necessary to reach this Diveikus or not. I personally am a Litvak.

Not what you said originally. To quote:

Deveikus is what defines a Chareidi Jew, and it stands at the core of the motivation of Chareidim to fulfill mitzvos bain adam l’makom, have a relationship with Hashem, and keep away from movies

I’m happy you have come around and agree with the Gemorah, though.

Do you really believe that all MO sincerely believe in this Midrash?

It is a gemorah.

I do not. Then again, I don’t believe all Yeshivish people believe it either, or Chassidim or even Yerushalmis. Perhaps many believe THEIR Rebbe/Rov is on a higher madraiga, but not the other person’s rebbe.

It’s clearly evident from their general lack of Emunas Chachamim that they actually do not believe this.

I’m not sure why one has anything to do with the other. And besides, it would make the differenition point a matter of Emunas Chachamim, not Devaikus.

I think you are comparing apples to cars. Compare top MO to top Charadi, and what is the difference, not bottom MO to top Charaidi.

For example, I think most of us would agree Rav Shachter is not Charaidi. He would be a “counterexample” to your point.

Or as another example, I can say Charadim are Sonei Yisroel and are allied with Iran, because of the NK, while MO are not allied with Iran.