popabar I did not slander people. I think you may have an insecurity complex issue, based on how you receive/perceive my statements when it comes to issues close to your heart, or coffee cup. However your problem is not within the context of this thread for me to address here, so I will just say that it is a fact that foods which cannot be eaten before cooked such as the above mentioned examples need to be cooked by a Jew. That is in the Shulcan Aruch.
Now as for your accusation that I am slandering rabbonim, I did not use anyones name. So it is impossible to have.
Futhermore, I do not even know the name of which Rav you people such as SYSinNYC or dunno claim to have gotten a “mutter” from. THere are many different kinds of “rabbis” who “hold” differently. THerefore you see OU saying that breakfast cereals do not have to be pas israel.
WHen someone like myself holds differently that is not slandering another person.
Aries2756 if it is the case that discussing Starbucks and kashrus questions on blogs is inappropriate why haven’t you or anyone else pointed this out when the OT first opened this thread?
The OT mentions many things in his initial post. Such as what is your opinion as to the establishment holding breakfast sandwiches that are vadai tarfus.
He mentions many “shailas”, however it was only a discussion until I pointed out the many issues as I shared my firsthand “inside” information from past employment experience in such an food and drink place. THat was when I was accused of slandering Rabbonim and having a holier than thou attitude above the coffee drinkers.
By the way, not one person has been able to properly address the question as to where ‘they’ rely on certain things do not need be produced bishul/pas israel. Just a bunch of bashing.