josh- your point about R shach and ponovize was addressed earlier. the difference between the state and the US is that the original founders, and the creators of zionism upon whose ideals the state was founded, didnt want there to be an connetion between judaism and Hashem. they tried repeatedly to shmad children. the US government never cut off taimani childrens payos.its also interesting to note that while gedolim of different camps ie R aharon kotler and the satmar rav disagreed with each other in certain pratim, they still were machshiv each other, and understood each others’ positions. R kook on the other hand, they considered as having made a terrible mistake hashkafically, which terribly affected klal yisroel. ad kiday kach that in telz they didnt say tehillim for him when he was sick and dying.
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