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Baal Boose
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Allow me to clarify.

Especisally the G’mora Kiddushin issue.

I am addressing the issue of dating without a shadchan, and not at all the issue of the bar scene. I amm talking about if a specific person is on your radar, do you need to find a ‘shadchan’ or can you go on a formal date without a shadchan. (not just hanging out)

So here is the g’mora.

The issue is as follows, there are 3 formal ways of kedushin

a) Giving money/value/ring. (all the same)

b) Giving a document written; im taking you for a wife. (no money or ring).

3) Doing what married people do, and verbally stating; “with this act we are married”.

In regards to the 3rd method, the g’mora states that if done without a shadchan or some other formality, (i dont recall if ‘T’noim’ are needed,) then Rav gave malkus because it is not appropriate.

And thats the end of the story.