Raphael Kaufman -“Health, you seem to have missed an important nekudah of the mashul. You are correct that the bal agala is the main actor, but the horse and wagon are necessary and should also be shown “appreciation” in the form of care and maintenance. Horeses especially are living creatures with enough intelligence to understand extra care, a kind word and a pat on the neck. Soldiers deserve at least as much appreciation as one would give a faithful horse.”
This is true, but who gives this Hakaros Hatov? Not the paying passenger -he just has Hakoras Hatov to the Driver. The driver & bus company reward the horse or bus. The Bnei Torah are the paying passengers.
“Another Item. Without disputing the issue, I take exception to the use of the term “yeharog v’al ya’avor” applied to issurim simply as an exclamation point. Yeharog v’al ya’avor is reserved for the most severe issurim, I.E. the Big Three (or any issurim b’shas hashmad). To apply the term to other issurim which, while serious, don’t really rise to the level of ultimate sacrifice does not so much reinforce the severity of the infraction as it deminishes the value of of that sacrifice. I am ready to lay down my life rather than allow myself to be forced to cross myself, or kill a fellow Jew (such cases actually happened in the Shoah), or commit incest. Should I really be ready to do the same to avoid hearing a woman sing, or use the internet, etc.?”
This wasn’t an exclamation point. You are Ignorant of the Halacha. The Halacha is any derivative of the big 3 Aveiros is also included in the Din of Yeharog V’al Ya’avor. This is called Abizreihu.
So this is why this discussion/argument is very heated.
A lot of posters here hold that women singing is Ossur because it comes from Giluy Arayos and therefore you must allow yourself to be killed rather than hear women sing, esp. for no reason like here. A few hold singing isn’t so bad. The reason we on the other side are very against this is because we don’t feel they mean it -just that they want to join the army and if they agreed that we were right -they would not be able to join for even a simple thing like singing!