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sam4321 –

About the Pleisi, I checked it up and at the end of the day he does not give a specific amount – he simply piles up all the shitas and says l’halacha to be meikil. The Aruch Hashulchan quoting him writes that a berya is batel “????? ????”. Truth is there isn’t much of a difference – if you have 960 you probably have 1200 too.

Being ???? ??? ??????: You got me thinking. ??”? the chiluk between here and Shabbos is as follows:

By Shabbos if you do an you an issur b’shogeg you still did an issur, it was just b’shogeg, but the issur of being mevatel issur l’chatchilah is only b’meizid. This shows that by Shabbos the Torah was makpid on the act – with minimal intent being a t’nai for the chiyuv. Therefore we can be mechayev p’sik reishe, beause you did the act, and we consider the fact that it’s inevitable to be sufficient for intent – because the act, which is what counts, “drags the intent” along with it.

Here, the act is meaningless on it’s own (the issur is ain mevatlin issur l’chatchilah), it’s the intent which is everything, so you need a real intention. In yeshivishe terms I would put it: By Shabbos the ikkar is the ma’aseh but by bitul the ikkar is the kavanah.

To really turn myself into a brisker; by bitul the mayseh issur is gufa the kavana.

Perhaps this is what Sam2 means.