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@mdd – “when they say they are Jews and their state is Jewish, they mean ethnic Jews, for crying out!!!”

I fail to get the point… I really do. Can you explain why this has any relevance? Does that make any difference?

Now if they were to change their flag to something ‘neutral’ (ie, a completely new flag which is not ‘based on a tallis’ and not with a magen david in it), and to change the language to Arabic, German, French or English or so, and to change the citizenship laws and abandon the “Law of Return”, abandon any laws relating to shabbos or yom tov, completely separate state from religion (ie, abolish the Rabbanut and institute civil marriage), then, maybe, we could speak about this state being permitted even if its government would consist of 100% ethnic Jews. Then one could say it is simply a coincidence that 80% of the people in that country happen to be Jews.

But as long as the flag consists of symbols that are widely recognized as representative of Judaism, as long as they speak something resembling Hebrew, as long as any (descendent of a) Jew can immediately immigrate and get a passport, as long as shabbos and yom tov are somewhat slightly protected by laws, as long as the Rabbanut decides by law on who can marry who, this is, though completely wrong and false and improper and whatever else, widely recognized to be a “Jewish country”.